First if you want an accurate fit get the correct size even if you're at the higher end, i scooted up from small out of habit and they were too big but i figured it out. My old ski gloves fit perfectly inside so i now have extra options and protection (sadly i have to remove my hands every so often and that's the main breech i deal with lol. The first day i got these (i wasn't layering with ski gloves at this point) we went out for 2.5 hours, which is great when you realize that with Reynauds i usually have my fingers feel like needles immediately at these temperatures. I love winter but my extremities struggle, it's unfortunate. i also got a compliment by someone with their own pair. Also as i'm in Minnesota they arrived very quickly. i love them.